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hanging lamp...Parts Sources] by Jeff Gamble (JBGambl@aol.com)
Posted: July 14, 1998 @ 01:19.
Mon, 06 Jul 1998 22:12 JBGambl@aol.com wrote: I have recently acquired a hanging lamp I need to identify. The shade > is unfortunately missing and I would like to find a suitible (and preferably accurate) replacement. I have included an attached .jpg picture I sketched. The proportions are very accurate, but the pattern > is a bit more rough...it's a hummingbird/floral motif. Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Jeff Gamble

On July 14, 1998 @ 01:30, Fil Graff (fgraff@comcast.net) wrote:
Jeff: That's a wowser of a "sketch"! You're HIRED! I'll post the question on the Q&A Page which should go "live" in it's new interactive format this week. Couple of questions on the specifics of the frame: One...what is the overall material of the construction? Is the crown ring section (that supports everything) made of cast iron? Two...what is the diameter of the circle where the shade top goes? and how is the shade held inplace (screws through 3 or 4 threaded holes/a screw-in ring?) Three: when you remove the glass font (that holds the kerosene) from its cup, is there a post in the cup, and a center tube to receive it in the font? or is the font somply held in a pressed brass cup with a screw? My intital impression was that the lamp might be a Lomax patent lamp we call "an iron horse"...all the major components are cast iron, and there is a "doughnut" counterweight that sits atop the crown ring when the lamp is fully "up". These take a straight sided shade. The attractive humingbird frame says "cast brass", which pretty well rules out the Iron Horse lamp. Without an exhaustive study of catalogues, an exact ident may not be possible., but it is worth a try, if for no other reason thasn to show off your art work! The proportions look right for a 14" half-dome shade, or a straight sided one. The top "fitter" dimension is important. If that turns out to be correct, you have the option of lots of different choices in design...painted opal (milk glass) right up toexotics like opalescent swirls, hobsnails in solid color...lots of things "fit", and the original owner could have chosen ANYTHING! Original shades aren't cheap these days, but they ARE out there to be purchased! Will be back at you if we get an answer! :: Fil Graff, Guild Secretary ::

July 16...received answer on July 8 to my three questions above, and forgot to post them!
One: Overall material is BRASS
Two: Diameter of shade fitter is 6". The shade is held in place by three set-screws
Three: The glass font just sits in the cup (no post or tube), and no screw. :: Fil ::
On July 15, 1998 @ 11:40, Steve Peterson (speterson@inficad.com) wrote:
Wow! I'm jealous! That is a beautiful frame. Now to the nitty gritty. The frame as you have drawn appears to be a "top clamp" frame (vs a shade ring frame). That is - the frame (or the crown attached to the frame) clamp on to the shade using a finger/screw mechanism. Before you can get a shade you will have to measure the distance between the fingers (or the diameter of the crown). That measurement is a little larger then the outside diameter of the top hole of the shade that you will put on the lamp, and determines the size of the shade that will go on your lamp. The most common distance is around 6 1/2 inches. If that is the case, you should be able to use a 14 inch dome shade, 14 inch slant shade, or a 14 inch (or greater) flare shade; or even possibly a 15 inch victorian fancy linen shade, but they are RARE, RARE, RARE. The next common top hole size is 5 3/4 inches and usually you can find that as a 12-13 inch slant side shade. (There are some oddball larger and smaller sizes and finding shades for them are tough.) Now as to what type shade was on your lamp? Unless someone has a picture or catalog with that exact lamp, we will never truly know. My guess would be that it had a painted dome shade, but THAT IS ONLY A GUESS. Old shades are around but they will be expensive. (Over $100 for a plain white dome shade to over $1000 for opalecent hobnail shades) Try contacting John's Antiques in St.Paul, Minnesota - he has a lot of old shades. Reproductions (ungh, shudder) of dome and slant side shades are also available at some good lamp shops, but can get to be almost as expensive as old shades. If at all posible, try to take the frame with you when you get a shade so you can see how it will look on the lamp. The shade can make or break the beauty of a hanging lamp. Hope this helps - Steve Peterson
- On July 15, 1998 @ 19:44, Dim Wick (fgraff@comcast.net) wrote:
  That's John's Antiques (John Remackel); it's on S. 7th Street (Fort Ave...same thing), St. Paul MN...(612) 222-6131 Steve, an EXCELLENT suggestion!
  Fil
  - On July 16, 1998 @ 09:21, Steve Peterson (speterson@inficad.com) wrote:
    I did not have my address book when I wrote my reposnse. John's complete address is: John's Antiques 261 West 7th Street St. Paul, MN 55102-2409 He does not have a fax (as of 6 months ago) but can borrow the one from the business upstairs if he has to.